- If you stopped eating animal products for the environment, you are a vegetarian.
- If you stopped eating animal products for your health, you are a vegetarian.
- If you stopped eating animal products ‘cause animals are cute, you are a vegetarian.
- If you perpetuate carnism as a norm by playing “nice vegan”, you are a vegetarian.
- If you think “militant” vegans are wrong, you are a vegetarian.
- If you think animal liberation activists are terrorists, you are a vegetarian.
- If you think what you eat is a personal choice, you are a vegetarian.
Strict vegetarianism is not the same thing as veganism. The modern boom of plant-based diets seems to have shifted the view of veganism as something “hippies” did to something rich white soccer moms do. That is not veganism. Veganism is an active boycott of all animal enterprise possible at any cost. There is no such thing as merely a vegan “diet”, there is only a vegan lifestyle. A vegan lifestyle costs no more than a morally bankrupt lifestyle. Do not buy into the lie. Do not buy into the media. Do not buy into what your friend’s friend told you about vegans. We exist to counter the destructive system by which animals are harmed and exploited for human gain, all other benefits are secondary.
Abolitionist veganism is the only veganism.
Let’s talk about the bolded line.
My family can barely afford a constant supply of any type of food and we’re denied food stamps because xenophobia is okay apparently.
Contrary to what you may think, yeah, veganism is a huge economic privilege.
I know. I tried. I’m not entirely keen on almond milk and do you know how much a half gallon of soy milk costs? It really adds up. I also became severely anemic (I don’t like red meat to begin with so that was always out) despite following dietary precautions and taking iron supplements.
Sorry for putting essentially my own survival ahead of other things. Apparently because I care about myself that means I can’t possibly also still care about animal welfare, right?
I’m not a vegan. I am simply a vegetarian (Since OP make us look so beneath them in this rant). However, I’m sure that who ever wrote this is an elitist asshole. “Abolitionist veganism is the only veganism”
Sorry not everyone is keen on shoving their beliefs down other throats. That’s like an extremely religious Christian telling another Christian “There is only one type of Christianity and that’s my way.”
If you do not consume meat, any animal products, any type of food with animal products in them, wear any animal skin, and support those who wear animal skins, that individual is a VEGAN. Just like vegetarians, I’m sure people are vegans for many different reasons.
I support veganism all the way, but I don’t support jackassery. Vegans like this irritate me, and it gives both Vegans and Vegetarians bad names, because a lot of outsiders don’t know the difference.
I actively try to be the least intrusive vegetarian you know. I consider it a compliment when people I’ve known for years say “oh, I forgot you were a vegetarian.” That’s because it means I’m not like the OP here.
It is a privilege to live a lifestyle that lets me be vegetarian. I’m lucky that my family can afford vitamins and fresh foods. I’m lucky that they have been able to afford to do things like buy me tofu, even though my mother is allergic to soy foods. If we were at a tight enough money pinch, we’d be buying in bulk, and couldn’t afford to waste food, so tofu would be out of the question.
Being a vegetarian doesn’t mean you’re inferior to vegans. Not everyone is a vegetarian for political reasons, for starters, and even if we are, it’s not as though I’m not making a point. Sure, I’m drinking milk. But I am actively refusing to eat the direct product of animal torture and slaughter. I am still making a point. I still make a point every time someone asks me why I’m not eating a burger.
But more to the point, diet is a personal choice. I don’t rant about why I’m a vegetarian (even though I’m passionate enough about it to do it for 8 years now.) because I’m not trying to convert people. People have their reasons for what they do. I have known people who couldn’t balance a vegan diet, or couldn’t do it healthily. Everyone has different dietary needs, and assuming you know someone else’s well enough to act like this is just rude.
I don’t think all vegans are like this. I just hate the attitude expressed here.
Listen, OP. I understand where vegetarians and vegans are coming from. I do. And I think ultimately the human race will be better off if we move in that direction. But the second you call me morally bankrupt just because I eat meat, I write you off as someone who has nothing worthwhile to add to this discussion and just wants to feel morally superior rather than make any actual difference in the world.
tl;dr: Don’t be a dick. It doesn’t help your case.
It’s not just a personal choice/it is just a personal choice; it’s not just a personal choice/it is just a personal choice…
I disagree with the original author's assertion that making a wrong decision—even the very, very wrong decision of killing and eating other beings—automatically equates to moral bankruptcy. To me, that attitude writes off anyone who makes a mistake, and that means all of us. But when people say that this is nothing but a matter of personal choice, I feel like my chest is cracking open and my heart is being thrown on the floor. To say that electing to not use animals and animal products is not an issue of morals, but simple personal preference—or even that it is an issue of morals, but only a bit, and is not very important in the big picture—stuns me. It leaves me grasping through air to understand how someone can look at another being, living their life, and decide to pay to have that being killed, and then eat their dead body.
Reducing consumption of animals, eliminating that consumption, and reducing consumption of products animals are kept and harmed for are all steps in the right direction, but until you eliminate outright your support (monetary and otherwise) for unnecessary violence against non-human animals, I think it is a fairly unambiguous factual statement that you are doing something wrong. The original poster’s belief that in so doing, you are yourself inherently wrong is a step I cannot take (as I said, it essentially insists that no one is a good person, but I believe in fact just about everyone is), but animals feel. They feel love, they feel joy, they feel pain, they feel fear, they feel anger. Anyone can see this in an instant, and honest people do not deny it. Ending an animal’s life extinguishes their ability to feel those good things every bit as much as ending a human’s life does, and raising an animal in violence and degradation is cause for the same emotional, physical and mental agony as it is for us. Free range and cage free and grass fed and careful slaughter techniques are like making sure that someone get lots of time to go for walks and live in a safe home and hang out with their friends and eat good food before being efficiently murdered and eaten: sure, it’s good that conditions during life are less bad than torture, but the end result is still unwarranted killing. There is no need to choose the lesser of two evils when a not-evil option is available.
I hear people say “Sure, animal rights are important, but look at all of the problems that humans face—war, sexism, famine, racism, natural disasters, homophobia, corruption, the list is huge! How can you justify putting energy toward saving non-human animals, when we humans have so far to go?” and I feel like the argument is largely a tool to avoid looking a change of habit in the face. To say that there are too many problems in the world, so you should pick only some to fight, and never speak out against others, is ridiculous. Being vegan does not keep me from being a feminist. It does not prohibit me from questioning my racist assumptions. It doesn’t take so much energy that I can’t analyze and speak out against government-corporate revolving door arrangements. Why on earth would fighting for justice for other species mean I’m unable to fight for justice for my own? And a commitment to non-human animal-rights can be among the least time- and energy-consuming changes you can make it your life. Going to rallies against fur farms, lobbying public officials in support of more stringent protection for wild animals, et cetera, is awesome and wonderful, but you can also have an enormous impact simply by deciding to switch the things you eat, wear and use from forms that come from animals to forms that do not. It’s a bit of an effort at the beginning, and from time to time you’ll learn of other products that unexpectedly use animals and have to pare them out too, but overall, it’s largely just a change of mindset and a substitution of consumables and clothes. Your fight for everything else you care about continues apace.
I am not convinced by those who say veganism is inherently expensive. Yes, processed vegan food containing multiple ingredients and prepared through demanding industrial processes is expensive, just like comparable non-vegan food, but there is nothing expensive about rice and beans, apples, soup or roasted vegetables. Regarding the added cost of supplements, I know that some people take them out of absolute necessity, and that’s outside the range of my points, but many people do not need them. In my experience so far, all of the same nutrients that can be gained from non-vegan food are in cheap plants too, if you eat the right ones, and if you can eat an omnivorous diet without supplements, careful choices will probably let you eat a vegan diet without supplements too. Let me be clear in that I have not extensively researched these claims—these are purely my impressions based on my experience as a vegan currently living on about $800 a month, and they are not supported by any outside nutritional, economic or other facts. Furthermore, as I said, some people must take supplements, and others—not many, but some—eat animals out of actual medical necessity. They cannot get the nutrients their bodies need any other way. I do not claim to be able to speak to the cost of meeting their nutritional needs. But most people can be completely healthy on a very simple—and as such, inexpensive—vegan diet.
Passionately and vociferously fighting for veganism is not like a religious fundamentalist insisting others follow their dogma. It is like someone who believes murder is wrong insisting others not commit murder. It’s not only about how your actions impact you personally; it’s about how they impact others. And in the case of animal exploitation, the impact is dire.
Fostering exclusionary, true-believer mentalities is not going to create the universally inclusive and compassionate society humankind is gradually, agonizingly slogging its way toward. But neither is discounting the lives of non-human beings so drastically that we are willing to subject them to slavery, torture, rape and murder so that we might continue to enjoy a higher standard of convenience or comfort. It is a choice. But it is not just personal.
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